John Nilsen
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De minner mye om de svenske standardfergene, skipsfører styrer lasting og lossing med lyssignal.
Fjord 1, Bygg nr. 1130-1133 ved Tersan Shipyard, HAV 936 "Skagastøl", "Fanaraaken", "Ringstind" og "Storebjørn"
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Erik
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Det har blitt prøvd før i Norge. Funker dårlig...
Derfor glapp verdens første selvkjørende ferger for Norge
– Det er klart at fire slike skip skulle vært bygget i Norge, sier Hugo Strand i Norske skipsverft om det kanskje mest spennende fergeoppdraget på svært lenge.
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Always the same trouble from union-people etc. if any transport-vehicles shall be built in much cheaper countries as Turkey, China etc. - any new trains, metros, buses, coaches, ferries etc. from these countries - always the same crying and critic coming from these people then !
Norway is in top 5 worldwide with highest salaries and wages of workers - so in Turkey you get 5 or 6 worker for the price of 1 worker in Norway. So the Norwegians should be very happy if there even are still existing any yards in a super-expensive country as Norway - in most other "rich" countries any yards for ferries does not exists anymore since long time - or are massive subsidized by the Goverment with hundreds of Millions as f.ex. Ferguson Marine in Scotland for 5- or 6- times so long construction-times of ferry-new-buildings as in turkish yards. Would has been 1000-times cheaper to close this yard-hall many many years ago and find any other future-jobs for the 80 people there - instead of to pay the salaries and wages for these Ferguson-people since many years from the money from all the other tax-payers in Scotland.
In the last years Norway is on a very good way with most domestic ferry-connections becoming free gratis or with cheaper ticket-prices than before - this is much better for ALL people, gives higher life-quality, f.ex. "poor" people from small villages anywhere in nowhere can now travel much more often to the next bigger cities, for enjoy shopping, leisure, entertainment, sports, cinema etc. = much higher life-quality than before. But only BECAUSE the ferry-ticket-prices are now 0 or cheaper than before - when they was mostly staying at home only because often traveling was too expensive.
But one condition for this is also to buy new ferries so cheap as possible - for that the costs of a ferry-route stays low and ticket-prices can go further down and in long-term hopefully all domestic ferries will be free gratis as since decades 99% in Sweden, Aaland and Finland also.
And this should be also the main-reason behind these ferries in long-term with full autonomic operation from 2028/2029 with only 1 control-person on land instead of 4 ferry-drivers onboard of 4 ferries - similar as f.ex. on automatically driverless metro-underground-lines f.ex. in France since decades already (Lyon route D). Much lower costs for staff/crew = (nearly) free gratis ferry-tickets.
And the idea - also often coming similar from German politicians and workers-union-people - to tell and teach any other cheaper countries something about working-times, working-rules, conditions, laws, number of holidays etc. - i think this is strange, crazy, rude and arrogant !
If you go very very cheap eating f.ex. at Biltema-Cafe, McDonalds, BurgerKing, 100montaditos-Euromania etc. - then you must accept also the special conditions of these restaurants, f.ex. a Burger half-warm served in a paper and not hot on a plate, without knife, fork, spoon etc. or that you must self fill in the 44 cent-coffee at Biltema-cafe from a crane so that they can save the staff-working-time for this and pay only the staff for a few seconds giving out the empty cup and the kanelbulle-cake to you and checking seconds the in meantime done Card-payment.
But if you do not like and not want these special conditions there in these very cheap restaurants - then you can go instead in a much more expensive restaurant with waiter-service, white blankets on the tables, porcelain-plates, wine-glasses, cutlery, candle-light etc. - and maybe also in background with a luxury room with nice relax-sofas for working-breaks of the waiters and the kitchen-crew. But to tell any other of the 200 countries worldwide that they must change their life, working-rules, conditions, laws etc. into Norwegian (or German) systems, laws and rules - this is an absolute No-go - and just only arrogant and rude !
So back to these 4 new ferries here:
Well done Fjord1, the Tersan-Yard is a very well experienced (ferry-)shipyard with high capacities, short delivery-times and realistic prices. And ferry- and travel-experts from other countries are very excited about this in future automatically operated ferry-route.
Norway is in top 5 worldwide with highest salaries and wages of workers - so in Turkey you get 5 or 6 worker for the price of 1 worker in Norway. So the Norwegians should be very happy if there even are still existing any yards in a super-expensive country as Norway - in most other "rich" countries any yards for ferries does not exists anymore since long time - or are massive subsidized by the Goverment with hundreds of Millions as f.ex. Ferguson Marine in Scotland for 5- or 6- times so long construction-times of ferry-new-buildings as in turkish yards. Would has been 1000-times cheaper to close this yard-hall many many years ago and find any other future-jobs for the 80 people there - instead of to pay the salaries and wages for these Ferguson-people since many years from the money from all the other tax-payers in Scotland.
In the last years Norway is on a very good way with most domestic ferry-connections becoming free gratis or with cheaper ticket-prices than before - this is much better for ALL people, gives higher life-quality, f.ex. "poor" people from small villages anywhere in nowhere can now travel much more often to the next bigger cities, for enjoy shopping, leisure, entertainment, sports, cinema etc. = much higher life-quality than before. But only BECAUSE the ferry-ticket-prices are now 0 or cheaper than before - when they was mostly staying at home only because often traveling was too expensive.
But one condition for this is also to buy new ferries so cheap as possible - for that the costs of a ferry-route stays low and ticket-prices can go further down and in long-term hopefully all domestic ferries will be free gratis as since decades 99% in Sweden, Aaland and Finland also.
And this should be also the main-reason behind these ferries in long-term with full autonomic operation from 2028/2029 with only 1 control-person on land instead of 4 ferry-drivers onboard of 4 ferries - similar as f.ex. on automatically driverless metro-underground-lines f.ex. in France since decades already (Lyon route D). Much lower costs for staff/crew = (nearly) free gratis ferry-tickets.
And the idea - also often coming similar from German politicians and workers-union-people - to tell and teach any other cheaper countries something about working-times, working-rules, conditions, laws, number of holidays etc. - i think this is strange, crazy, rude and arrogant !
If you go very very cheap eating f.ex. at Biltema-Cafe, McDonalds, BurgerKing, 100montaditos-Euromania etc. - then you must accept also the special conditions of these restaurants, f.ex. a Burger half-warm served in a paper and not hot on a plate, without knife, fork, spoon etc. or that you must self fill in the 44 cent-coffee at Biltema-cafe from a crane so that they can save the staff-working-time for this and pay only the staff for a few seconds giving out the empty cup and the kanelbulle-cake to you and checking seconds the in meantime done Card-payment.
But if you do not like and not want these special conditions there in these very cheap restaurants - then you can go instead in a much more expensive restaurant with waiter-service, white blankets on the tables, porcelain-plates, wine-glasses, cutlery, candle-light etc. - and maybe also in background with a luxury room with nice relax-sofas for working-breaks of the waiters and the kitchen-crew. But to tell any other of the 200 countries worldwide that they must change their life, working-rules, conditions, laws etc. into Norwegian (or German) systems, laws and rules - this is an absolute No-go - and just only arrogant and rude !
So back to these 4 new ferries here:
Well done Fjord1, the Tersan-Yard is a very well experienced (ferry-)shipyard with high capacities, short delivery-times and realistic prices. And ferry- and travel-experts from other countries are very excited about this in future automatically operated ferry-route.
HAV Design NEWS | Autonomous zero-emission ferries for Lavik - Oppedal route - HAV
HAV Design has signed a contract to design and develop four newbuild, autonomous zero-emission ferries that will operate the Lavik-Oppedal crossing on the northwest coast of Norway.
www.havdesign.no
Fergebossen
Active Member
HAV 936 er da samme design som MF Hadarøy i følge Havdesign sin referanse liste
References - HAV
www.havdesign.no
Lars Johan
Member
Passasjer 1
Active Member
Etter utlysinga var det krav om reserveferje på min. 100 pbe. Nokon som veit om det er spesielle krav til utslepp, automasjon etc for reserveferja, eller om td "Lifjord" kan brukast?
Erik
Active Member
Lifjord er opptatt som reserve lengre sør..
Passasjer 1
Active Member
Er det avgjort kva ferje som skal erstatte Lifjord som resere/avløysar?
Byggestart for kontrollsenteret for verdas første autonome ferjer
Florø Bygg vert totalentreprenør for ombygging og rehabilitering, og Novaform er med som prosjektkoordinator.
www.fjord1.no
Kystbyen får nøkkelrolle i sjølvgåande ferjesamband
Kompetanse, teknisk miljø og smarte løysingar har vore avgjerande.
www.fjord1.no