Njordic Ferry Lines

Risberg

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Et nytt rederi, Njordic Ferry Lines, er tydeligvis tenkt å gjenoppta fergetrafikken, med konsentrasjon på ro/pax, mellom Eemshaven og Norge (ikke nødvendigvis Kristiansand).
 
Et nytt rederi, Njordic Ferry Lines, er tydeligvis tenkt å gjenoppta fergetrafikken, med konsentrasjon på ro/pax, mellom Eemshaven og Norge (ikke nødvendigvis Kristiansand).

Navnet sier seg selv at dette er bare tull.. Har du noe link eller noe som kan bekrefte dette?
 
Google-søk etter navnet gir noen få treff fra nederlandske nettsider, som stort sett ser ut til å sitere denne artikkelen fra RTV Noord - maskinoversettelse (med DeepL) til norsk:

Njordic Ferry Lines går hardt ut med planer om ny fergeforbindelse til Norge

Loek Mulder
28. juni, 12:00
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4 minutter lesetid


Det nyetablerte selskapet Njordic Ferry Lines er navnet bak initiativet til en ny fergeforbindelse til Norge. "Vi skal ikke gjøre de samme feilene som det forrige selskapet."

Initiativtakerne er tre gründere fra Wassenaar, Nijverdal og Hillegom, alle med bakgrunn fra den maritime verden. Under ledelse av Edwin van der Stam, en uavhengig konsulent med en fortid i blant annet KPMG og P&O Ports & Shipping, har de jobbet med planene sine siden september i fjor.

Bevist utover enhver tvil
Ifølge Van der Stam har Holland Norway Lines' forrige fergerute, som gikk til Kristiansand i Norge, tydelig vist at det er stor interesse fra passasjerene for en tur til og fra Norge.

"Jeg har aldri tidligere opplevd at en fergerute har hatt så stor suksess på kort tid"
- Edwin van der Stam

Den tanken ble forsterket da MS Romantika ble tvunget til å flytte fra Eemshaven til Cuxhaven og senere Emden, og igjen klarte å få nok folk om bord på kort tid.

"Jeg har aldri tidligere opplevd at en fergerute har lykkes så godt med å tiltrekke seg nye passasjerer på kort tid", sier Van der Stam, som etter å ha jobbet for P&O, en av verdens største fergerederier, i lang tid var aktiv innen maritim infrastruktur.

To skip i drift
Van der Stam og co. ønsker å sjøsette to skip. Njordic Ferry Lines sier at de allerede har skip i tankene, men holder tett om hvilke.

Njordic Ferry Lines vil helst seile fra Eemshaven til en norsk havn. Hvilken det blir, blir ikke sagt. Van der Stam melder imidlertid at det er inngått en "klar avtale" med den norske havnen.

Sjansen for at det blir Kristiansand igjen er ikke så stor, ettersom de lokale havnemyndighetene har sagt at det ikke er plass på grunn av oppussing av havnen.

Muligheter i Eemshaven
Njordic Ferry Lines er for tiden i tett kontakt med Groningen Seaports. Van der Stam sier at han er klar over at det ikke er lett å få tak i rammeplass. Havnemyndighetene har tidligere sagt at "det finnes muligheter". For det første ser det ut til at et sted i nærheten av AG Ems' passasjerforbindelse til Borkum kan bli vurdert.

Groningen Seaports gjør det klart at det kreves betydelige investeringer for å gjøre kaien egnet for et stort passasjerskip. Det må også legges mye penger på bordet for en terminal og laste-, losse- og parkeringsfasiliteter.

Forskjellig tilnærming
Fergerederienes tilnærming vil være vesentlig forskjellig fra HNLs, understreker Van der Stam. Njordic Ferry Lines ønsker å legge vekt på godstransport. "Det gir kontinuitet og kontantstrøm gjennom hele året. Passasjerene er egentlig prikken over i-en.

"Begynner du feil, ender du også feil"
- Edwin van der Stam

Van der Stam og hans medarbeidere sier at de så nøye på svakhetene ved HNL-operasjonen. Den var ikke tilstrekkelig gjennomtenkt fra starten av, mener Van der Stam: "HNL gjorde en rekke grunnleggende feil".

"Jeg har all respekt for det HNL klarte å gjøre på kort tid. Men hvis du begynner feil, ender du også opp feil.

Ifølge Van der Stam er det å drive fergedrift "en av de mest kompliserte virksomhetene man kan tenke seg". Ifølge Van der Stam var det der HNL brøt sammen: "Det var folk involvert som ikke visste nok om bransjen".

Ifølge ham var HNLs skip uegnet fordi det kunne frakte passasjerer, men knapt hadde plass til last. "Så da får man faktisk problemer allerede i visse perioder av sesongen.

Daglig forbindelse
Ifølge Van der Stam gjorde HNL også den feilen at de bare brukte ett skip. "Du trenger faktisk en daglig forbindelse hvis du ønsker å betjene fraktkundene på en pålitelig og hyppig måte. Så når det ene skipet seiler den ene veien, seiler det andre den andre veien. Ifølge Van der Stam er det en visdom fra fergebransjen som sier: Ett skip er ikke noe skip.

Der det også gikk galt med HNL, var mangelen på kaianlegg og vissheten om dem. Spesielt i Eemshaven, men også i Kristiansand, var fasilitetene ikke tilstrekkelig tilgjengelige for fergetrafikken.

Kronisk mangel på penger
Det hjalp heller ikke at HNL hadde kronisk mangel på penger, analyserer Van der Stam videre. Buffere til å absorbere tilbakeslag manglet derfor.

Van der Stam sier at han ikke gikk i den fellen uventet. Han sier at Njordic Ferry Lines vil bli støttet av profesjonelle parter fra bank og private equity (investeringsselskaper).

Etter overtakelsen rapporterte HNL-kurator Hans Silvius fra De Haan Advocaten en Notarissen i Groningen at det var en rekke interesserte parter for å foreta en relansering med HNL. Njordic Lines var en av disse partene. Jeg tror vi er den eneste seriøse parten nå, sier Van der Stam.

Han ber også om støtte fra provinsen Groningen, og argumenterer for at en fergerute er bra for regionens økonomiske vekst og kulturutveksling.
 
Hvilken annen havn kan være aktuell i Norge, det antydes i artikkelen at det ikke er Kristiansand og sies også at fasilitetene var for dårlige der. Larvik kanskje, eller Langesund ?
Med RoPax - konsept er vel kaiareal og lett tilgang til vegnett viktig.
 
Mhmm - from which country is the word "NJORDIC" ? From Netherlands ? Why not Nordic ? So now NFL instead of HNL... .

3 business-men and 1 consulting-man from the Netherlands are the owners / managers.

In 1 point they are right - i can not remember too any other new-started ferry-route which has got so fast really a lot of new Pax-customers.
But then - why they want operate now their new route as a freight-orientated route ??? From where shall hundreds of trucks comes daily there suddenly ?
If we think that Fjordline had complete closed their route ca. 6 month during the rebuilt of their ferries - it can not be sooo super-much freight normally... .

Sure - the Romantika has had too less lanemeters - but there was in fact really a lot of Pax onboard. But with 2 freight-orientated ships and daily dep. ? Are there really 3, 4-times so much trucks as it was with HNL ???
So this article sounds so as they are thinking on 2 freight-orientated Ropax-ferries with small space onboard for a few people only (which then pay highest ticket- prices).

With the ports:
The blokking of to start new ferry-operators in the port of Kristiansand can only lead to the result to use any other ports.
My first choice would be Langesund - everything is there ready for to start "next hour", port-fees will be very low (lower than in any bigger city where other ferries are operating) and that it is not so far away from the Oslofjord-region is an extra-advantage.
I think from the West (Stavanger, Haugesund, Bergen) the freight-volumes will be very limited - but a ferry-route nearby the Oslofjord-region can be attractive for truck-companies / hauliers from there.
Other Norwegian ports (but i don`t know the details about free spaces, max. ship-sizes etc.) Stavanger-Risavika, Egersund, Arendal, Larvik, Sandefjord ?

Crazy that they are still planning with Eemshaven - there is really NOTHING - like in a desert with green gras... -
wondering that they not see that Emden, Bremerhaven, Wilhelmshaven, Cuxhaven etc. all would have a much bigger customer-potential - for freight and for Pax - and much better connections with motorways, intercity-trains, Flixbus etc. .
Furthermore the sea-distance f.ex. to Bremerhaven is more than 1 hour shorter than to Eemshaven = would be much less fuel-costs every day - and Politicians in Bremerhaven are positive about any new ferry-route.
Maybe they will give not money - but i am sure that they will help to find a ferry-berth, waiting-lanes etc. - and offer low port-fees. All couple of years was newspaper-article that people in Bremerhaven want urgent any ferry-connection.
They know very well how much money the hotels, restaurants, bars, cafes, night-clubs, shopping-centers, supermarkets and petrol-stations in Kiel-region are making daily with all the passengers from the Oslo- and Göteborg-ferries.

So - sure - if they offer lower freight-rates than Color Kiel-Oslo, Stena Kiel-Göteborg, Fjordline etc. a freight-orientated route Langesund-Eemshaven could work also.
But i am sure that from/to Bremerhaven (or Emden) it would be much more easier to fill the decks and cabins.

And the ships:
Positive that they will start with 2 ferries - but which ferries could it be ?
I see these 4 options only, used and not too old big ferries with much less cabins than the 727 from Romantika - and becoming available in winter 2024/2025 now:
A) - The both Australian Superfasts from 1998 (and nice big renovated and upgraded in 2018), 222 cabins
B) - any 2 ferries from the 80ies / 90ies from GNV (can be random - but i think it is "mistenkelig" that the new GNV-ships during construction suddenly has been upgraded from 300 cabins to 433 cabins = the size from GNV Blu, Atlas, Cristal)
C) - the 1992 built Normandie from Brittany-ferries, 220 cabins - but which ferry as 2nd ship ? The 1989 built Bretagne is a classic cruise-ferry - would not fit in this freight-orientated concept, last dep. are announced for nov. this year.
D) - the 2001/2002 built Janas / Bithia - now suddely a big price-drop from 40 Mio. "price-idea" down to only 31 Mio. ! 320 cabins ((this means usually that a few more than 20 Mio. on the table and the ship is yours, maybe 45 Mio. for 2 !))

And what about other investor-people from the Norwegian side ?
There was also reports that some Norwegian businessmen want to start such a ferry-route too together with the former Norwegian director of HNL ?
Maybe this project will then switch to a German port ? Or to Amsterdam-Ijmuiden ? Or Bergen-Stavanger-Bremerhaven + ferry-buses to Hamburg and Bremen-Amsterdam.

So there are 8 used big ferries available soon - maybe 2 and 2 will go to any 2 new different Netherlands-Norway routes and 2 to Hibernia-Lines Cork-Boulogne ?
 
Njordic Ferry Lines har tydeligvis bestemt seg for Langesund som norsk havn.
 
Artikkelen er vel ikke helt bastant på hvilken havn som er aktuell:

Fra den foretrukne havnen Eemshaven planlegger Njordic Ferry Lines å seile til en norsk havn. Dette blir sannsynligvis en havn sør for Oslo, muligens Langesund. Njordic Ferry Lines sier at de har inngått en "klar avtale" med den norske havnen. Mest sannsynlig er det ikke Kristiansand igjen, havnen som Holland Norway Lines seilte på. Havnemyndighetene der har sagt at det ikke er plass på grunn av oppussing av havnen.
 
Hehe, they have read here my advice from sunday to choose Langesund - then they have taken the first flight to Oslo on monday, signed a "letter of intent" with the port of Langesund yesterday and now it is in the newspaper... :p

((Yes, Christian S., it is not officially confirmed - but each other port (Larvik, Sandefjord, Moss etc.) would be really a big surprise. I think in Sandefjord and Larvik they would have to share everything with Color Line ?))
In Langesund is the complete infrastructure ready for operation of ca. 200m ferries and it is not so bad, some small-towns are nearby - with car 10 - 20 min only - and beside the E 18 motorway Oslo-Kristiansand also other roads are going into the moutains direction north. If there would be mini-cruise-people from Netherlands they can walk into 2, 3, 4 restaurants, cafes etc. . So there is not much - but more than nothing.

But on the other side with Eemshaven ? It is really only an industrial-port, for windfarms, LNG etc. .
There is spoken about that really big investments would be needed nearby the Borkum-ferry-berth. This means a lot of time and a lot of money. So when they want start the route ? In a few years ?
And why invest there a lot of money and loose a lot of time if f.ex. in Emden, Cuxhaven, Bremerhaven nearly nothing is to invest ?

And there is really NOTHING in Eemshaven:
- The train is a small suburban-style shuttle-train for the port-workers to/from Groningen only - in the morning and late afternoon every 30min - between over the day only hourly or 2-hourly (!) and last dep. is 19:48 - and it takes 55 min for such a short distance = slowly speed as a tramway !
- So all people who want to any other city has their first change there in Groningen-trainstation.
- There is no supermarket, no shopping-center, no nice restaurants, cafes etc. in walking-distance from the ferry.
- So theoretically mini-cruise-people from Norway can not walk into shopping-centers and restaurants, bars, cafes as in Kiel - they must first take the 55min train-ride to Groningen always !

Short comparison EEMSHAVEN - BREMERHAVEN:
Motorway very close nearby port NO - YES
Intercity-train-connection NO - YES (to Köln via Duisburg, Gelsenkirchen, Münster)
Hourly regional trains only to Groningen - to Osnabrück, Bremen and Hannover
Population in port-city: 0 - 115.000
Population in 45 bus-min - 572.000 (Bremen)
Population in 55 train- or bus-min (Groningen) 244.000 - 78.000 (Delmenhorst)
Population in 1 bus-hour - 175.000 (Oldenburg)
(Assen) 70.000 - 79.000 (Wilhelmshaven)
Max. 1 hour from port summary 314.000 - 1.190.000
Population in 70 bus-min (Emmen) 109.000 -
Population in 80 bus-min (Leuwarden) 129.000 -
Population in 100 bus-min (Zwolle) 133.000 -
Population in less than 2 bus-hours (Lelystad) 84.000 - 1.915.000 (Hamburg)
Population in 2 bus-hours (Apeldoorn) 168.000 - 550.000 (Hannover)
(Deventer) 103.000 - 78.000 (Lüneburg)
(Almere) 226.000 - 71.000 (Celle)
Between 1 and 2 hours summary 852.000 - 2.614.000
Population in 2:30 bus-hours (Amsterdam) 935.000 - 127.000 (Wolfsburg)
(Enschede) 162.000 - 255.000 (Braunschweig)
(Alkmaar) 112.000 - 108.000 (Salzgitter)
(Amersfoort) 168.000 - 103.000 (Hildesheim)
(Utrecht) 374.000 - 220.000 (Lübeck)
(Ede) 124.000 - 83.000 (Norderstedt)
(Arnhem) 168.000 - 80.500 (Neumünster)
(smaller cities than 71.000 people not counted)
So nearby the ports in ca. 1 or 2 hours are MUCH MORE people living in Germany fast and easy to reach from Bremerhaven than people in Netherlands from Eemshaven.
With addition from Amsterdam and Utrecht in 2:30 hours distance it looks a little bit better for Eemshaven.

So maybe for a 100% RoRo-freight-route Eemshaven would work well too - but much more people on the German side means also much more potentially freight-customers there.
And for any mini-cruise-people or normal travelers - there is Bremerhaven 1000 points better than Eemshaven. I would not like it to hang around 55 min in a very slowly train for to change then 1st time -
and i would also not like it to hang with my car behind a lot of slowly trucks, motorhomes, Caravans after arrival of the ferry on the long normal road from Eemshaven-port to the first motorway.

So in summary - i am wondering really why Njordic Ferry Line absolute prefer Eemshaven... - even because there is no infrastructure ready also.
 
Ja, de har virkelig fulgt ropax sitt råd. Gratulerer! Han burde sende en faktura. Det er bare det, at alt det negative han skriver om Eemshaven passer på Langesund også, bortsett fra at dit går det ikke noe lokaltog i det hele tatt!
LANGESUND
Motorvei like ved havn NEI
InterCity-forbindelse OVERHODET IKKE
Regiontog NEI

Befolkning Langesund 14 172
Befolkning 1 1/2 timers bussavstand 43 258 (Larvik)
Befolkning 3 timers bussavstand 634 293 (Oslo)
Så nært havnen, innen 2 timer buss MEGET FÆRRE mennesker i Langesund enn i Eemshaven. Så de to passer jo godt som havner for samme fergerute.
 
Så glemmer man i dette at havneterminalen i Langesund er nå solgt til en privatperson/privat firma.
Da blir det straks interessant og utfordrene i forhold til det som kreves av offentlige etater som må være tilstede, toll, politi osv.
Havnearbeidere til lasting/lossing og fortøyning må løses på annet enn kommunalt måte bla.
 
Langesund havneterminalen is sold ???
I don`t understand why in so many countries "critical infrastructure" is / was / will be sold to any private persons or companies.

A ferry-terminal possible for to use by big international ferries is similar important as airports or railway-tracks / stations or big motorways.
It is easy possible to give / tender the organisation, administration to any company with a time-limited contract - but to sell such a national special port-infrastructure "Tafel-Silber / table-silver" is only super-stupid.

I can understand also that there are some annually costs for an unused port-area - but then there are 1000 possibilities for to rent out the space to any others (also parts to smaller) companies for time-limited-contracts with options for extensions. Just some weeks ago another ferry-terminal-building (i have forgotten where it was) is actually in use as Event-hall for parties.

Especially for countries as Norway - geographic similar as a "Half-Island" with 1000s of km coast-line every port is really important.
Feels for me as a "shock" - i was really thinking that in 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 years any "next" ferry-company will offer new ferry-routes to/from Langesund (to Danmark, Germany, Sweden, Netherlands, UK - 1000 chances).
22.02.2024 — Pengene vi fikk for salget har vi valgt å reinvestere i Langesund, forklarer Mikkelsen til avisa. ... Eier Grenland Havn bestemt seg derfor for å... (betalt-article !) -
Look at the picture - it is a full modern complete ferry-teminal with all what is needed - better than many other ferry-ports without bridge for foot-passengers !
So the port-company GRENLAND has bought Langesund-port in febr. this year ?

I am wondering that such a deal is so easy possible in a country with very strong state regulations, highest tax, person-nummer-system etc. as Norway - in many points much less freedom than in other countries.
In Germany f.ex. all air- and seaports are state-owned or indirectly under state-public-control. Nearly all ports would be very happy if there would arrive any new ferry-route and it is absolute unbelievable that f.ex. Emden, Wilhelmshaven, Cuxhaven, Bremerhaven - or also f.ex. Wismar (they want urgent a ferry-route too) would be sold to any private person or company - similar like a logistic-hall or a big parking-area anywhere in the country.

Full ok that any port-company can use the space in Langesund - but why selling to them for ever - and not renting with a time-contract only ???
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So option A)
Grenland-havn tries self to find a new ferry-company for Langesund (maybe Njordic Ferry Line has spoken with them already - who knows ?).
I am sure that there would be any ferry-companies interested - if they would be really intensive asked, invited for visiting etc. . Often managers are so strong in "tunnel A" - that they not see new chances and ways beside the "tunnel".
In place from TT-Line f.ex. i would try any other new monopoly-route instead to operate for Europes lowest freight-rates per seamile with 3 strong competitors (Finnlines, Polferries, Unity Line) with more and more over-capacity to Swinousjcie... - to fight for every truck to Klaipeda with DFDS and to look into unclear future especially on the Travemünde-route with bigger and bigger competition from Finnlines and in 5 years from the new Fehmarnbaelttunnel.
So Rostock-Skagen-Langesund would work very well f.ex. .
Or Finnlines - why not operate Langesund-Malmö-Swinousjcie ?

Option B)
Grenland use they port-space in any other kind.
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Other South-Norwegian ports:
Larvik and Sandefjord - is there enough free space for a big new daily ferry-connection with a lot of trucks also including the ferry is hanging around 2, 3, 4 hours in port ?
Moss - the old berth-ramp from Stena-Nordica is still to see in Google-Satellit - but the space is sold / rented too ?
Moss would be a super-well option - from there it is very easy to Middle-Sweden also, i have often used this ferry-route in the 90ies - sometimes to Norway and sometimes to Middle-Sweden (Värmland, Dalsland, Dalarna etc.).
Was from Frederikshavn the same ticket-price than to Göteborg - but you save 200-300km driving. Njordic Ferry Line could then also make marketing with Sweden-Holland - and not only to/from Norway.
Arendal and Egersund - generally much too small for ca. 200m long ferries ?
Anywhere else in South-Norway "secretly sleeping" ferry-berths (Horten, Frederiksstad etc.) as f.ex. south of Stockholm the former ferry-ports in Södertälje (Superfast) and Oxelösund (Polferries) ?

So if Kristiansand is not possible - i can still see no other better option than Langesund... and a (future) contract between Njordic Ferry Line and Grenland-havn.
And Risberg has right too, many points are not perfect in Langesund - but which other port should be a better alternative ?
 
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Langesund havneterminalen is sold ???
I don`t understand why in so many countries "critical infrastructure" is / was / will be sold to any private persons or companies.
Vel, hvis ropax ikke har notert det, så har privatisering av offentlige virksomheter; havner, flyplasser, jernbaner, jernbanestasjoner, motorveier, postvesen, i Norrköping by sågar drikkevannet, vært en ensrettet doktrine i hele Europa, helt siden jernteppet falt.
ering that such a deal is so easy possible in a country with very strong state regulations, highest tax, person-nummer-system etc. as Norway - in many points much less freedom than in other countries.
Har Tyskland ikke personnummer? Jeg trodde Storbritannia var det eneste landet i Europa uten personnummer. Litt drøyt å påstå at i Norge er det meget mindre frihet enn i andre land. Bortsett fra Vinmonopolet, og Sverige og Finland har likedanne ordninger, så er et ikke mindre frihet her, og såvidt jeg vet har f.eks. Danmark høyere skatt. Norge har heller ikke forbud mot folkeavstemminger, slik Tyskland har.
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Other South-Norwegian ports:

Moss - the old berth-ramp from Stena-Nordica is still to see in Google-Satellit - but the space is sold / rented too ?
Moss would be a super-well option - from there it is very easy to Middle-Sweden also, i have often used this ferry-route in the 90ies - sometimes to Norway and sometimes to Middle-Sweden (Värmland, Dalsland, Dalarna etc.).
Stena Line prøvde seg på Moss – Frederikshavn, Color Line på Larvik – Moss – Frederikshavn, Sagalinjen prøvde Moss – Skagen.
So if Kristiansand is not possible - i can still see no other better option than Langesund... and a (future) contract between Njordic Ferry Line and Grenland-havn.
And Risberg has right too, many points are not perfect in Langesund - but which other port should be a better alternative ?

Vel, Kristiansand. Men hvis de blir nektet å gå dit...... Jeg vet at de har/hadde store ombyggingsplaner (jag var prosjektleder i Jernbaneverket for hovedplan Kristiansand stasjon m/ havnespor og hadde godt samarbeid med Kristiansand havn – og så ble der ikke satt av en krone i NTP til Kristiansand, hverken europaveisystemet eller jernbanen). Men jeg kjøper ikke helt at det ikke skulle gå an å betjene Eemshaven-ruten påny, og da er de forpliktet til å ta imot dem.
 
Stena Line prøvde seg på Moss – Frederikshavn, Color Line på Larvik – Moss – Frederikshavn, Sagalinjen prøvde Moss – Skagen.
Skal tru det blir ståhei om det kommer en avgang til Danmark fra Moss.. Er jo mye støy allerede med Moss-Horten trafikken som må gå igjennom sentrum av Moss.
Men som du påpeker, mange som har prøvd før... Og alle la vel ned på grunn av lite trafikk.
 
Skal tru det blir ståhei om det kommer en avgang til Danmark fra Moss.. Er jo mye støy allerede med Moss-Horten trafikken som må gå igjennom sentrum av Moss.
Men som du påpeker, mange som har prøvd før... Og alle la vel ned på grunn av lite trafikk.
For ikke å snakke om til kontinentet (Nederland).
 
Moss er nok ikke aktuell lengre, da godshavnen nå er fylt opp mot Bastøfergene med ASKO sine nye fartøyer og løstrailere som går til Horten og Langøya,
som de insisterer på å kalle "sjødroner" - som i virkeligheten er et par prammer med motor.
På innersiden forgår jo nå byggingen av nytt dobbelstspor og ny togstasjon, med kvikkleire komplikasjoner. Så noe ny fergeterminal der virker høyst
usannsynlig etter mitt syn.
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https://www.banenor.no/prosjekter/alle-prosjekter/nytt-dobbeltspor-sandbukta-moss-sastad/
 
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